A lot of land in the UK was stolen (historically) by Royals and banks. We havent had proper land reform.
It is estimated the about 30% of our land is either held by persons unknown or is 1066 land / assigned by the crown etc.
The land registry are well known to be slow and not find out who owns certain parcels of land, rather conviently for some.
Weve had our armed forces go to war multiple times to fight for the elites, yet did they ever get rewarded with land?
Our elites have imported at least 10 million people here over the last 2 decades and just shoved them into cities and towns. No extra land has been freed up for these people.
This has caused land prices and house prices to skyrocket. A house used to be about 3 to 5 times a average salary. Now its 10 to 15x the average salary.
If we can free up some of this 30% of land we could the give it to people of this country.
People having titles like Duke and Earl, then given land and we people have to contribute towards that lands upkeep via taxes is highly unfair.
We need a strong country and we cant do that if we are all squeezed. Free up some land, save the money from the titles.
I understand some people are happy being below others instead of being equal, I get it. We need to move away from the past and build a new better future. We need land to build, these people dont deserve the land solely based on a battle from 1066, using deceptive methods historically or being born from a “bloodline”.
The land registry should have the details freely avalible for all to see, not hide the large landowners.
Confused at best and Anti-Civilisationist at worst. You open with a strange assertion of British land being “stolen” by… British people, then propose wealth redistribution. I assume you must support the distribution of our wealth to the third-world then? If you would steal the property of you own countrymen for the sake of egalitarianism then there’s no way you couldn’t without contradicting your own ideology.
You put the word bloodline in quotations. Do you believe bloodlines don’t exist? Everything is hereditary. You are the result of everything you’ve inherited from biology, culture and material. If a Duke has no hereditary right to his land, then no Briton could have a hereditary right to our own homeland. Your ideology is why we’re ruled by politicians bent on turning the United Kingdom into the YooKay Economic Zone.
You seem to blame aristocrats for the current state of the country. Wouldn’t it make more sense to blame elected politicians? The ones who have held almost all power since 1911? Also, I can’t quite see why someone who desires equality would have a problem with today’s Britain. We are giving everything we have to the lowest and destroying the best. Isn’t that what you want?
You wish for a strong country. The best way to bring that about would be returning to the highly aristocratic governance Great Britain had when we ruled a third of the planet. Egalitarianism has been the primary drive behind our nation’s decline.
I suggest you take deeper consideration into your viewpoints and their consequences. Your current ideas not only would solve nothing, but would make the national crisis far worse.
Hi, I know me and you disagree on the Royals and their future. I respect that.
I hate this idea of the good old days. Im sorry but its the past, nostalga is killing us.
Bloodlines exist. But the land im talking about isnt the same as me and (maybe) you, the public in general. The fact remains, this land was assigned to them. The titles are also “inherited” sometimes, this shouldn’t be supported.
Our land isnt even ours, it’s “rented” for a period of time from the crown. This is freehold. Even having 99 years on the contract is wrong, its YOUR land, not theirs to give.
We dont even have mineral rights.
Sorry but our elites already sold off the national property, assets, anything they can sell off. They would sell (pay others) our islands abroad too (Chagos).
Please explain this. Giving land to the people and scrapping dukes would make our national crisis worse?
It would only upset people who hold onto the idea of “Monarchy” and being a “subject”.
I’m not trying to personally insult you or anything. I just can’t see how nostalgia is killing us when a negative rewrite of our history is pushed so aggressively by every mainstream institution. We simply don’t have any nostalgia. Children are raised to believe everything new is good and everything old is bad. A loss of identity is killing us. You may hate the idea of a better era, but we were better off when we weren’t being endlessly taxed for the sake of foreigners.
I also believe the Chagos “deal” is disgusting, but it isn’t being pushed through by the Duke of Marlborough. I don’t see why attacking an almost entirely dormant aristocracy will help us. Britain has been a democracy since 1911, which means power is held entirely by politicians. These politicians hold personal power via elections, which means it is in their best interest to reshape the population to their benefit.
You use a lot of strange Americanisms like “the people”. Are aristocrats not people? Not British? You must believe one of these if you’re so interested in taking their land instead of seizing mosques or forcibly retaking eras with a majority immigrant population. You view “the people” as a collective, but what defines them? It cannot be ethnicity or nationality since you promote class warfare. Is membership of the collective defined by wealth? If it is, I disagree with the notion I’m on the same side as a Kenyan who happens to have the same amount of money as I do.
I believe it makes the situation worse because it’s infighting. I don’t want to attack my own countrymen who have done me no wrong. I hold no resentment toward them for being richer and having fancy homes. They have zero power in modern Britain and I’m not going to scapegoat them for the treachery of generations of Labour and Tory governments. The United Kingdom’s enemies are in the House of Commons and they import foreign populations to act as a voting bloc for them. I’m deeply interested in attacking those people.
I hope this discussion proves fruitful. I’m always saddened to see someone on my side of the political aisle fall for leftist ideas like blank-slatism simply because it is enforced so throughly throughout modern culture. Truly nationalistic ideas are still so suppressed in the mainstream. I’m glad sites like this allow us to have a free discussion.
I agree with the sentiment that the current set of rulers, aka the political establishment, are bad and need replacing. After all the “last aristocrat MP” was either Churchill or Powell, both have a lot more to go for them than the likes of Cameron Johnson or Blair.
But I think the anger at the aristocracy is misplaced, its not the upper class that are causing us this hurt it is the upper middle class.
The ones who have wrought such destruction on the nation are not the hereditary class of knights of the realm, lords, dukes and barons, its the upper middle class, buisnessmen, bankers, lawyers and doctors.
What used to be referred to as the chattering classes.
I think there are much bigger fish to fry there are people who unfairly exploit us but its not the aristocracy.
I would say there is an issue with the large number of political appointees to the lords and even baronies. But they are not really upper class other than by the pen of a upper middle class person.
