Reform fall out?

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** Not a policy suggestion but a relevant open debate**

https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898064525007462499?s=46

https://x.com/benhabib6/status/1898062889824710866?s=46

In light of recent Allegations against MP Rupert Lowe who is someone I’ve grown to be a big fan of and I think I speak for many members within this platform that we believe he’d be much better suited as the leader of Reform as he speaks much of what we think, I believe is fair to say, so far at least.

We know we can’t trust the Tory party and now Reform have made a few strange decisions, is the party starting to crack? This come as a surprise to me personally but I think many including Ben Habib see it as no surprise following his departure after not being satisfied that the party in its current form & structure will give the people what they want, after recent party fall out on X does the rising popularity of Rupert Lowe threaten Reform leadership? Is that what we’re seeing or something else?

Just open to hearing everyone’s thoughts & views on current events and where members currently stand.

What are people’s feeling towards recent actions from Reform and where do you stand with the right side of politics?

Do we have hope?

Where do we go from here?

Is the right a bigger mess than the radical left lunatics?

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I believe prior to this Rupert has stated he has no ambitions of leading Reform. I think he is a genuinely hard working patriot who entered politics because he was sick of seeing his country being ruined and he wants to make a difference. He works so hard and states the truth plainly and people appreciate him for it. Maybe the leadership of Reform don’t like this fact?
I for one am so disappointed as this awful authoritarian government we have is continuing the destruction of the UK started by Blair. Reform up to now has seemed like the only right leaning truly conservative Party that could bring us hope in turning the country around at the next General Election. If this fallout doesn’t get fixed quickly I’m afraid hope will be lost. Maybe more people will look at UKIP as a viable alternative? What do other people think?

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The right have a major issue over the left with friend enemy distinction. Instead of rallying behind friends, they’d sooner throw them under a bus of they dont align on all fronts. The left have never had this issue.

Key example is how the rest of Reform view Tommy Robinson. Instead of being able to give credit where it is rightfully due.
They’d sooner throw mud and smeer him than to be associated with him. They dont know who makes up most of their base, so end up attacking those who are most likely to vote.

Reform seem to want to remove and silence anyone who is too outspoken, just like they did Ben and now unfortunately Rupert. At this point reform just seem to be containment of the uniparty. No actual change of policies put forth.

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Yes Nigel more and more appears to want to be the prime minister who is the leader of the Tory party.
He has moved left on many topics to appeal to the blob.

He does not want a reformation he wants to sit on the top of the existing dung heap.

Been looking worrying for a while with him courting more and more Tory staffers and activists over the more populist base that’s given him relevancy.

He is very much Trump v1 or even 2015 Ted Cruz, but what we need is a Trump v2, someone who rightly sees the current system and setup itself as an enemy. No more trying to win over “moderates” but removing any firm positions.
I mean Starmer has had speeches more to the right of Nigel on immigration, so has Braverman, even Davies has appealed to homeland in a way that Nigel is either too cowardly or unsavvy to appeal to.

He needs a turn around ever since south port he has been an utter coward on populism.
I believe he was almost blamed by the blob and locked up for it and it spooked him, but that is conjecture.

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To answer your question, we need to wait, observe, and think. The backlash has been far bigger than I expected. In the UK, 37% of the voting-age population is on X, and over 80% are on social media. The reaction is almost unanimously pro-Rupert.

The damage is profound, and Reform HQ’s panic will only grow. A lot could happen as a result—we need to watch for what’s most effective and likely.

The key is a unifier emerging. Ukip versus Homeland would be weak. Ukip versus Homeland versus Reform is already failing, though Reform was at least polling ahead of Labour in some areas.

Things will shift in the coming weeks and months. Labour can’t exploit this with a snap election either—the Tories would crush them, and people might still back Reform in an emergency scenario. Unless Labour acts recklessly, it’s illogical they’d try.

That gives us time.

The near-unanimous backlash is a huge advantage. If it were divisive, we’d be screwed—it’d fester like the ‘that lot’ comment or The Tommy Robinson remarks. But this won’t linger; something’s going to break. It’s hard to predict what, but the last straw just flattened the camel. Reform’s been dogpiled from all sides by sharks smelling blood.

The fiercer the pile-on, the better—it raises the odds of a new party rising or Reform maturing. The critical step is for voices to unify and rally behind a single force. Ukip and Homeland must be United, and the strongest option—whether a reformed Reform, a new party, Ukip, or Homeland—needs everyone’s support. That only happens if the movement stays united.

And it is. Remigration, mass deportations, honor, and viability are the core pillars any unifying force must tackle.

We’re in an era of truth now. The skeletons have burst from the closets and are dancing in the streets.

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I think Reform are finished and the Rupert lowe was the final straw.

In the latest PAC news letter; The Cavalry is assembling, and the charge is on!
It seems to me at least that the PAC is possibly looking to become a political party. Otherwise, why is it looking to 2029 and how does it intend to implement policies we are working on here?

I for one would love to see Rupert Lowe, Ben Habib, Howard Cox, and many others like Michelle Ballantyne, who have been thrown out or left Reform, form a political party from the Great British PAC with the following aims.

  1. To force Reform UK to unite under one banner and accept differences of opinion.
    Or
  2. Take over Reform as the actual/genuine right side of politics party of choice.

This could be done in many different ways, such as joining with for example the Alliance for Democracy and Freedom party. Or starting from scratch.
To join any of the other political parties such as UKIP or The Heritage party wouldn’t work due to too many egos and already negative reputation.

This needs to start out in such a way that everything is clear from the outset.
The PAC is certainly in the early stages of doing that and I for one would be, and by being here am clearly, happy to help.

Always remembering that money helps with political parties, but what you actually need is buy-in and reach.

With the people we have, including independent media such as Dan Wootton Outspoken taking over from national media outlets. The fallout of this Reform UK fiasco could be, and I sincerely hope is, that its replaced by something better.

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Plus the fact they’ve sited Rupert for being too right wing that they are a centerist party… they’re so out of touch with their base its laughable.

  1. The center doesnt really exist. Not with how far the left have gone. What the country truly needs is a right wing leader with Macavellian traits and tendencies.
  2. The fact that Zia was marked as a WEF young leader should tell you all you need to know, and that it has already been subverted.
  3. Farage’s brittle ego, makes even constructive criticism a suicide mission for anyone so the party heads will only ever be filled with yes men. No real change will ever take place.
  4. The democratising of the party of which the only board memebers of the new party of Nigel and Zia… it feels more like a ponzy sceme than a party at this point. Expecially with how theyre now claiming Rupert has dementia
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I believe this situation may signal a necessary shift within Reform UK, one that could ultimately strengthen the party. Currently, Reform UK appears to be overlooking significant talent on our side—individuals who are willing to voice support for “Reform” but hesitate to fully commit their energy and effort, likely because they feel unwelcome, unvalued or have been outright rejected for minor, (if any) causes, other than ostensibly challenging the position of the leadership. If this trend continues, it could prove to be a critical misstep. However, the present circumstances might actually compel Reform UK to evolve in a positive direction, opening the door to key figures who were previously sidelined or rejected. With any luck, this will transform Reform into a genuine coalition of like-minded individuals, rather than a party perceived as chasing power for its own sake.

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I ideally would like Reform to take Rupert back in, apologise publicly, Zia to resign/be kicked out, Nigel to humble himself and see where we the public really want change and to latch onto what we are asking for without shunning our demands, and then to humble himself. We really cannot do this if we have backstabbing which seems to be a Nigel thing to do from what I have seen. We have had a couple of instances within the UKIP days, and then there was apparently something in the Brexit party happening, then we saw him do it to Tommy, then continually smearing for a while, and now Rupert.

At this rate, he himself would destroy the party, before we see whatever Zia wants to do with it. I would prefer that we had a party with firm and fierce minded people, like Mr Habib, Howard Cox, and then we utilise other known social media faces like Katie Hopkins, Andrew Bridgen, David Atherton, the BlackbeltBarrister for his expertise, this is the kind of jist I am getting at as well, that we get those who on social media are more than qualified to help return our country to common sense, with the passion of wanting to restore these islands back to our home without mercy on the Socialist/globalists. I would half say to include Nick Tenconi too for his fire of fighting against those that seem to be harming our population each day. I know not enough about the HomeLand party but they do sometimes appear with a “join now” link on X(twitter) discussions, UKIP has more notable traction compared to HL.

I would support Ben Habib if he did make a new party though, Reform doing this to Rupert with the follow up of information on how Zia was an ex WEF member has soured my vote to them, but I know to remain open over time just in case if something good happens.

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Wow! You have stated exactly what ! feel. I would like to see Zia & Nigel removed, and Ben Habib, Rupert and Matt Goodwin take this party forward. For if Reform UK fails then Britain fails with it. I am not sure how much one should believe all media outlets, but this is an interesting watch regarding Nigel Farage, al lot of it I had actually forgotten. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdAbASfvflw

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I don’t know this, but I have a suspicion that Nigel Farage has hidden dirt, the nature of which I know not, which the blob is using to control him. He has been in their grip for years. Lowe is blemish free, hence the hatchet job, they cannot manipulate and control him. Zia has been placed by the WEF and Farage is compromised. Welcome to the new order, exactly the same as the old order.

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This whole thing shows the importance of designing a political structure that both;

a) allows strong leadership (to prevent infighting)

b) also allows party democracy (but while preventing factional infighting too)

You need to work really hard to design these systems to both prevent constant instability (remember how UKIP fell apart with constant new leaders), but also prevent centralized control undermining grassroots supporters (how CCHQ ignores Tory constituencies)

For example, do you want withdrawing the whip from an MP to be entirely under the control of the party leader, or should there have to be a vote by MPs? Different pluses and minuses to both approaches.

How do we want MPs to be selected? Party leaders? I’d say that you want to have MP candidate selection entirely under the control of local associations (not central office parachuting liberals into safe seats while real right wingers have to contest marginals, as happens with the Tories), but party leaders should be decided entirely by MPs (forcing leaders on MPs who don’t want to serve them just doesn’t work, witness how Corbyn was put in place by Labour members bu MPs hated him, or how Truss was coup’d by Tory MPs)

GB PAC should have a “party structure” policy that designs an entire party political structure to be both effective, adaptive and democratic in a way that promotes long term success in both winning elections AND enacting a right wing, patriotic policy agenda. (unlike the Tories, who care more about getting elected than actually making the country more conservative)

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I would only add that now that Reform is owned by two people, namely Yusef and Farage with Yusef believed to be bankrolling the party then it is almost 100% Muslim owned and controlled. That alone means that Rupert Lowe is out of bounds and must be silenced. I hope in time David Kurten of the Heritage Party will also become part of this movement as I know him to be a true patriot with much common sense and the only small party I can support at this time.

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Yeah each day into this, I then discover yet another reason why I am steering harshly away from Reform and begging for a party under Ben Habib/Rupert Lowe/Suella Braverman/other good figures (possibly also Jenrick).
Reform is compromised, and it was as such since the beginning.

Ben Habib, do not steer from the lime light, not now in our most direst of times, and please, don’t let Rupert go to the Tories, that’ll be nuts.

Edit: I have another person I would like to include in on this wonder party, an that would be Aman Bhogal, who argues in our favour of a sovereign Britain. Oh, and we get Liz Truss to work on things too.

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I agree, I think there’s plenty of time to create a new political party. A new leader of Reform isn’t going to happen in its current form. Rupert Lowe is obviously Prime Minister material and more.
Matt Goodwin has been peddling the idea that we are naive to think there could be an alternative, but the fact that he started a damage limitation campaign so quickly suggests to me that he knows otherwise.
How patronizing to suggest that we shouldn’t expect to have honourable & courageous people as our leaders. We know politics is a tough business, but Farage/Tice/Zusuf and their circle have demonstrated they are self-interested scoundrels.
I really hope Lowe, Habib and others with the financial and technical backing of Musk get something together.

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I know exactly what you mean, I’m just not sure I can see it happening. Will politics in the UK ever change? I had hoped that Reform will be our MAGA movement, but now I’m not so sure.

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This is a really insightful post that I tend to agree with entirely. Personally, I would like to see associations at something like the county-level that select the candidates for the party in their seats, and have the central team be relatively weak in terms of control, but strong on messaging.

One of the big problems is broad-tentedness. Under FPTP, if a leader wants to implement their policies, it becomes hard to do if you don’t have the MPs to support you.

A way to address this is to have members elect their local leaders, and have the national leader decided solely by MPs in a very ad hoc fashion (this is kinda what happens in the US).

The big problem we have is that we have taken on this idea of a presidential-type system, but whilst being a parliamentary state, this creates the contradictions you point out (at least to an extent).

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Yes, it looks very like someone somewhere doesn’t want Reform to succeed. Almost as soon as it started to do well in the polls, it was sabotaged ( if that isn’t too strong a word for that childish and vindictive treatment of Rupert Lowe.)

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I can see GB PAC becoming a party. The policy ideas are already starting to come, though perhaps in embryonic form, and a serious party needs good policies along with talented people to deliver them. It is a very good idea to ask the people what they want done. Generally speaking, no one asks us or takes us seriously. Hopefully, this is also a good way to inspire people to get involved and to vote in elections.

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I would certainly like to see this happen, but they have specifically stated that it wont. To that end, I am not sure what we are doing here.
Having fantastic policies is great, but without the political are to implement them, I don’t see the point?

We need to choose a political banner to unite under.
At this point, I don’t care if it is UKIP, Alliance for Democracy and Freedom, a new party or any other. Cant be Reform as they are unwilling to unite.

Unity under one banner is the key!
The next keys are policies and a grass roots engagement
Then to try get the none-voters onboard. That’s the winning ticket.

We will obviously welcome Reform, but give it a big enough engagement and we might even be able to force Reform to untie or destroy it.

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