Councils, governments, civil service. Any position that is to do with government policy, should be removed from power over UK. We speak English, if you start your address in a foreign tongue. You shouldn’t be there. We shouldn’t have to listen to foreign people telling us to repay them for the slave trade. If not even one of your parents is born in the UK, you should have 0 say on government affairs.
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It should be English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish only, or for the very uncommon few that we deem suitable enough by merit and other parameters.
Another thought is that you have to be able to prove your lineage, or if you are a 3rd/4th/5th generation migrant family descendant, depending on views maybe, but that is also something that could be determined as unsuitable.
Another is if you can prove your family has been here for 100 years maybe? That way it could wash through any ideology, but if muslim then I would not allow, due to very obvious manipulations of the “slow game” they have done to other countries in the past.
For now, remove foreign nationals from being in the Gov.
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The main residence should also be a UK address. They must reside in the UK for 10 months of the year.
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I feel that will chop off a section of these foreign candidates, but in our current day, we have good enough reason to become really strict for the sake of the UK. We are in need of healing before outsiders meddle, and even then to be kept strictly behind rules.
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Neither of my parents were born in the UK.
I was born in the UK, are you saying I’m a foreign national? and I shouldnt be allowed to hold a position in goverment even though I was born in England?
Think about what you are saying here, Kier Starmer, Rachel Reeves and Angela Raynor -both of their parents were born in England look at their policies and governance and the current crisis we have in the UK. The problems we are currently facing are due to their idiologies, lack of experience, incompetance, no integrity, double standards, complete idiots running the show.
I’ve just listed a few names here, the outocome we are looking for here will not be achieved by ensuring “one of the parents is born in the UK to have a say on goverment affairs” as clearly we would not be in this situation now.
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I agree with this. I have met people that are second generation born here and don’t consider themselves British. They hold dual citizenship and favour their cultural heritage over their British heritage. Also if you ask them if they would fight for this country their answer is a strong no. They would leave the country.
I have also met people that are proud to be British. I was buying pin badges for a group of friends. Knowing that not everyone is native like me I checked if a friend would like a Union Jack/Jamaican pin badge or a Union Jack with St George’s Cross like me. She came here at the age of 8, but her answer was, I bleed Red White and Blue, I’ll have the same as you.
Therefore birthplace is not a good indicator. Somehow we have to get people in parliament that share our values.
I was shocked when I was watching all the new MPs swearing in to the House of Commons. Various religions were acknowledged and a couple of strange cases I remember where people didn’t want to take the oath at all. This made me angry. 
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We should always strive to have people who bleed Red, White and Blue, but I feel that after labour is our, we must cleanse the palette of socialists, like how the Tories is infiltrated, inevitably resorting in the dismantling of the party perhaps.
About the second generation immigrants, I feel like something like that is a landmine depending where they come from in the world, which then requires us to get factually correct info where they come from to reduce infiltration like we just openly have now.
Not a fan on those that won’t take the oath going into the House of Commons, there needs to be gates to be passed that really holds MPs to account, like how they should be right now.
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I think foreign nationals and offspring should have the correct level of representation, ie per capita of numbers in the country. We need to prevent cabals with other agendas marching through our institutions. The British people have been naive about others intents in our land for far too long.
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I think the rules should be:
People with dual citizenships cannot hold public office
At least one of your parents must have been a British citizen at the time of your birth (which could be abroad as per military, diplomatic families etc)
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Yes good idea. That resonates with me
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I’m so pleased that you actually thought about this policy suggestion used common sense before responding. I fear leaders lack much of this within government so there is no hope for their subordinates.
My thoughts are on there should be a strict criteria for joining the party, there are many MP’s jumping ship from the conservative to reform, as you pointed out what are their values, what key changes would they like to see, are they bringing their baggage into the reform party, as long as they are aligned with the party manifestos, the barrier to entry should be lifted and if there is mutiny at a later stage ie their true colurs are shown which will be the case where some will want to infiltrate, It should be dealt with swiftly and sharply to not allow this to infest the rest of the party/team and create even more division which has been the normality across parties creating even more distrust and doubt to its people it serves.
If there is strong and unified leadership the blob will not be able to exist, as they will be instructed to carry out the Ministers objectives as opposed to civil servants dictating to the Ministers which if my understanding is correct this is what’s been happening with the government departments. Any activists with their own personal agender will be caught in the net as clearly, they would not be fulfilling the brief of the Minister. As in all private sector roles every employee has appraisals and there is a process within HR if the employee is not able to carry out the actions of the Job Specification. They have a choice to look for alternative employment, to have civil servants dictating the brief to a Minister I find utterly preposterous.
What’s clear currently with the Labour Party and was a fault of the Conservatives too they had people in positions who lacked the experience competence and vision- weak hands will be taken advantage of.
This would make me angry too and should clearly be changed. No taking of the oath then no entry into the House of Commons which means no role within government. End off.
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Beth could you outline how this will resolve the issue of terrorism, enforcing our borders, overcrowding of our prisons, operating a 2 tier justice system etc etc ?Which I’m assuming is why this policy suggestion was created “At least one of your parents must have been a British citizen at the time of your birth”
These are members of the cabinet holding the highest ranking postions in government. Both of their parents were born in the UK, the exceptions are David Lammy, Ed Milliband and Shabena Mahmood. Lisa Mandy has one parent who was born in the UK. I’m sure if I researched the previous governments ancestry the statistics would be similar.
If we are making suggetions for new policies they need to be robust to ensure they fufill the purpose for which they were created.
· Keir Starmer – Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury, Minister for the Civil Service, and Leader of the Labour Party. He’s the top dog, setting the government’s direction.
· Angela Rayner – Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities. She’s Starmer’s deputy and focuses on housing and regional development.
· Rachel Reeves – Chancellor of the Exchequer. The first woman in this role, she’s in charge of the UK’s finances and economic policy.
· David Lammy – Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs. He handles foreign policy, including relations with the EU and support for Ukraine.
· Yvette Cooper – Secretary of State for the Home Department. She oversees immigration, policing, and national security.
· Pat McFadden – Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. A key strategist, he manages the Cabinet Office and government coordination.
· John Healey – Secretary of State for Defence. He’s responsible for the military and national defense strategy.
· Wes Streeting – Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. He’s tackling NHS waiting lists and healthcare reform.
· Ed Miliband – Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero. A former Labour leader, he’s driving the green energy agenda.
· Bridget Phillipson – Secretary of State for Education and Minister for Women and Equalities. She oversees schools, universities, and equality policies.
· Shabana Mahmood – Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice. She manages the legal system and courts.
· Jonathan Reynolds – Secretary of State for Business and Trade, and President of the Board of Trade. He’s focused on economic growth and trade deals.
· Liz Kendall – Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. She handles welfare and employment policies.
· Heidi Alexander – Secretary of State for Transport. She replaced Louise Haigh (who resigned in November 2024 over a legal issue) and oversees transport infrastructure.
· Peter Kyle – Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology. He’s pushing tech and research advancements.
· Steve Reed – Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. He deals with climate, farming, and rural issues.
· Hilary Benn – Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. A veteran MP, he manages Northern Irish affairs.
· Jo Stevens – Secretary of State for Wales. She represents Welsh interests in the cabinet.
· Ian Murray – Secretary of State for Scotland. He’s the voice for Scotland in the government.
· Lisa Nandy – Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. She oversees arts, media, and sports policy.
· Louise Haigh – Secretary of State for Transport until November 28, 2024, when she resigned after pleading guilty to a minor fraud charge from 2013 (reporting a work phone as stolen when it wasn’t). Heidi Alexander took her place.
· Baroness Smith of Basildon (Angela Smith) – Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Lords. She manages the Lords’ legislative agenda.
· Alan Campbell – Chief Whip in the House of Commons. He keeps Labour MPs in line but attends cabinet rather than being a full member.
· Darren Jones – Chief Secretary to the Treasury. He assists Reeves with public spending and attends cabinet.
· Richard Hermer – Attorney General. A legal expert, he advises the government and attends cabinet.
I find your tone & demands inappropriate, frankly. I am not sure why you listed the cabinet. I am well aware of who they are.
Yes, the British government should be comprised of British people. It takes time to assimilate into a culture and “I happened to be born here to foreign parents” isn’t enough. So while you may not be able to run for office under those rules, your children will, presumably.
We should not have a Foreign Secretary with citizenship of a foreign nation, for obvious reasons of conflict of interest. Other nations have this rule - we should too. And we should apply it to all public offices - whether MPs, mayors, councillors etc.
Sorry if that offends you, but I am rather offended that my heritage apparently means nothing more than the right paperwork.
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I must say I ‘m so sorry I think I may have misunderstood what you were saying I interpreted that you agreed with Great British Comeback and BFuz that both parents had to be born in the UK but you’re saying policy should be one parent has British citizenship at the time of ones birth (if that desendent wanted a position in politics) neither parents of that person had to have been born in the UK is that correct? If that’s the case my mia culpa. My sincere apologies for my misunderstanding.
I’m not making any demands of you merely asking for the reasons I wrote above. These new policies have to work which clearly they have not been for many years which is the point I was trying to make the majority of the cabinets parents were born in the UK – this as a policy would not work. As for listing all the cabinet members you have more knowledge than I as I didn’t know who they all were it was an exercise for me which formed part of my reasoning. I like to present facts when presenting my case .
I am challenging why its ‘not enough’ because one is born to ‘foreign’ parents.
If your alligence is to the UK and you hold those key values we are now fighting for surely you are enough.
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We should not have a Foreign Secretary with citizenship of a foreign nation, for obvious reasons of conflict of interest.
I totally agree with you re the dual citizenship, I wasn’t questioning this.
Some members here are in favour of having 'the right paperwork’ as you put it, generations of British decent does not automatically equate to doing right for the British people which we are seeing from the current govermment.
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I first said about how I would want our politicians to be English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish, not British. The British citizenship has been abused by the left and they continue to extort whatever extra privileges they can over us indigenous of the British Isles.
Lets say an Indian born from 2 Indian parents that moved to Britain in their lifetime, they are not English/etc, they can only ever claim a British citizenship by doing the current lawful necessary requirements, but I wouldn’t want them in simply because they got British citizenship and haven’t spent more than a handful of generations to integrate into our society, if they aren’t self-segregating themselves by personal choice.
I must say that you have a peculiar manner of conversing, which is likely as to why Beth felt perhaps stand-offish to your words, they did seem a bit demanding. Also, please inject some commas into your sentences, just for understanding sake.
Within the Labour party, there are numerous people who were born outside of the country within their generation, and some from a culture that has shown its stance on wanting to alienate the indigenous Brits, imposing speech laws which goes against the values of being British. This government is a duplicitous mutant that has chosen to denigrate the largest class within the country, simply for wanting their families safe from evil-doers.
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British Citizenship is been being abused by Labour however the Conservatives had an opportunity to made radical changes whilst in power but chose to follow the left.
I was commenting specifically about a descendant born in the UK to immigrant parents. Why should they be excluded from holding a government role provided, they had embraced British culture, integrated within society and held the values of the party etc. That person is English irrespective of their parents been born overseas. On the whole Indians have integrated and contributed largely to their communities, irrespective of been born outside of the UK or been first/second generation born in the UK.
Are you referring to a particular nationality/religion imposing freedom of speech laws, or is your view of this across various nationalities?
Aruna, I don’t consider someone born here to Indian parents to be English. They are of Indian heritage, domiciled in England. Their nationality is British, but they are not English.
English is an ethnicity - a very ancient one that can be seen in our DNA. These islands have an indigenous population which is being edged out, slowly but surely. In a generation we will be a minority in our own ancestral homeland. To many of us, this is unnacceptable. We never agreed to it and want to take steps to reverse it.
I am sure there are many commendable people who have immigrated here, but that’s not the point. Currently, there is nothing to stop two foreign nationals having a baby here then leaving again shortly afterwards. That baby is entitled to claim British citizenship and can spend 40 years abroad, coming back when they feel like it to run as an MP.
This is almost exactly what Kemi Badenoch has done. She was born here but grew up in Nigeria, with her Nigerian parents, going to a Nigerian school. As she herself has said, she decided to come to Britain as an adult because she “happened to have a British passport”. How is she really British? She’s Nigerian. Nothing wrong with that at all, but why should we have foreigners running our country for us?
Lots of British nationals have ancestry which is not indigenous - the Windrush generation have been here since the 50s, and are mostly entirely assimilated. But assimilation takes time and those who are given the honour of guiding our nation into the future should be fully and unambiguously rooted here, not just taking advantage of having the right paperwork.
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The current climate is not because of invasion, but due to the ideologies, weak leadership and ineptness of those in senior positions in government, past and present, the majority of which, have the very DNA you are rooting for.
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Whilst I get what you’re saying, it’s not hard to see where OP is coming from.
Hmmmm… what about barring those who hold a membership in foreign/global organisations, or repeatedly attend events they organise (to prevent the obvious “I’m not a member” argument).
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I don’t think your solution would address the problem you describe. Ben Habib was born in Pakistan, for example, and I would rather have him as PM than Keir Starmer. I believe you are saying that people in government positions should subscribe wholeheartedly to British values, put our country first, and be proud of our history. That would better be addressed by a written constitution similar to that in the US and a requirement that an oath of allegiance be sworn prior to taking office. Legislative manoeuvres that conflicted with the constitution could then be blocked.
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